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September 18

GAYS against GUNS page

Hello all! I am a founding member of the gun violence prevention organization GAYS against GUNS and I noticed that someone had made a page for us (thank you to whomever that was!). Sadly, it was taken down. I'm not without ego, but this time I'm really motivated more by a sense of fairness. Our group has endured a near constant onslaught of disruption by, what I assume, are NRA members (and their ilk) and it doesn't seem fair to me if they're responsible for the deletion of the page describing our group.

Would someone please look into this for us? We're easy to contact - you can go to our website at or to our facebook page or twitter (@gagnoguns) or instagram (gaysagainstgunsny).

Thank you SO MUCH! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinHertzog (talkcontribs) 04:17, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello KevinHertzog, and welcome to Wikipedia. I am not an administrator, so I cannot look at the deleted content of the page, but it would help if you could remember the exact title (case sensitive) of the deleted page. Also, deletions on Wikipedia are carried out by administrators, a small group of trusted volunteers with a lot of experience, so it is unlikely that the deletion was motivated in any other way then Wikipedia's policies. Finally, it's best that you keep the conversation about the article here, not on other platforms. Thanks. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 04:53, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
@KevinHertzog: I'm an administrator but also unable to find the page. Where have you seen indication that it existed? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Interlanguage mess

What the English call "chicory", the French call "endive". What the English call "endive", the French call "chicorée". That's straightforward enough. But when we check Wikipedia's interlanguage links, we find

There are several problems here, which are certainly not restricted to this genus of plants.

  • en:WP does not allow two articles to have interlanguage links to the same foreign article, though fr:WP evidently does.
  • Sometimes an interlanguage link connects a vernacular name (like "endive") to a botanical name (like "Cichorium intybus"), or vice versa, even when a more appropriate target is available.
  • Sometimes an appropriate target isn't available, instead the target article we would like to link to is a redirect, or doesn't exist.

This is the kind of mess that I enjoy working on, even though my French isn't great. What would be the best place to discuss these issues? Maproom (talk) 09:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Maproom. This problem has been much discussed on Wikidata: See d:WD:BC. I wouldn't know either chicory or endive if they came up and bit me in the leg, but I remember reading somewhere years and years ago that what the English call 'chicory' the Americans call 'endive', and vice versa. --ColinFine (talk) 10:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I think it's rare to discuss where specific interlanguage links should go. Editors just make the changes they want. Nearly all interlanguage links are made at the Wikidata item for the page. Click "Wikidata item" under "Tools" to see it (assuming it has one). Wikidata demands a one-to-one correspondance between pages, and a page can only be in one Wikidata item. But a few interlanguage links are made by editing the article itself instead of its Wikidata item. fr:Endive has the code [[en:Chicory#Cultivated]]. Such links are generally at the bottom. See Help:Interlanguage links#Local links. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:17, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
So there's also a American/British language problem contributing to the mess. That hadn't occurred to me. The articles Chicory and Endive seem closer to British usage than American. Thank you, PrimeHunter, for explaining how the non-reciprocal link was created.
I think I'll try cautiously to untangle some of this particular mess, and see how it goes. Maproom (talk) 11:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

The question about the page etc

Hi Every time go to page i receive alerts "ಈ ಲೇಖನದಲ್ಲಿ ಸರಿಯಾದ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖದ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿದೆ ಸರಿಯಾದ ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಗಳನ್ನು ಸೇರಿಸಿ ಲೇಖನವನ್ನು ಉತ್ತಮಗೊಳಿಸಿ. ಲೇಖನದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಚರ್ಚೆ ನಡೆಸಲು ಚರ್ಚೆ ಪುಟವನ್ನು ನೋಡಿ."

cool, am glad to know that there are people who can help me on this. But when i go there i do not find option to post my query or discuss about the page i have been working on. could you please someone send or comment with right link, so i that i can discuss about the page. As far as my concern, i have used very good contents but help me once.

regards, Dharanesh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dharanesha.e (talkcontribs)

I can't read Kannada and therefore can't start to think what might be wrong. Imaginably something funny is going on: somebody has just now posted a message to me there. I can't read it, and I don't believe I've ever posted anything there. But this isn't a matter for discussion here. -- Hoary (talk) 13:21, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
@Dharanesha.e: I don't know Kannada but Google tranlates the message as: "This article needs a proper reference. Add the correct references and make the article better. See the talk page to discuss the article". The message is made with the code {{Cn}}. The article doesn't currently have a talk page but you can create it by clicking the red link. I cannot say whether you will get a response. Tagging an article with {{Cn}} is very easy and the user doing it may not actually want to spend time discussing the article. I don't know the reference requirements of the Kannada Wikipedia but you can also consider removing {{Cn}} if the references seem adequate. The page history shows it was added in [1] and moved to the top in [2]. See Help:Talk pages for an English guide about how how to contact editors or use article talk pages.
@Hoary: When you visit a Wikimedia wiki for the first time while logged in, your account is automatically created there. Special:CentralAuth/Hoary shows your Kannada account was created today. Some wikis post welcome messages to new accounts. You got a standard welcome message corresponding to {{Welcome}}. This has confused and annoyed many users who visited languages they don't know and haven't edited in. I have considered proposing a Wikimedia-wide ban on posting welcome messages to accounts which have no edits and were not originally created at that wiki. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:31, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, PrimeHunter. I hadn't previously encountered this autowelcome thing -- which is rather a surprise because I fairly often visit other-language pedias while logged in. Perhaps it's very new. It doesn't worry me, but it does rather seem a solution in search of a problem. -- Hoary (talk) 22:27, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

How to claim a public school page

Is there a way for our school district to claim our page and maintain it ourself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commcca (talkcontribs) 15:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

No. No one is responsible for maintaining any page and no one can claim ownership of a page. Also since you have a Conflict of interest you shouldn't be editing the page. ~ GB fan 15:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

So it's okay to have incorrect information on the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commcca (talkcontribs) 15:12, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Very clearly, no-one has said. or even inferred, that. If you think corrections need to be made then please request them on the talk page of the relevant article, citing reliable sources where the information can be verified - Thanks - Arjayay (talk) 15:16, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
We did not imply that either, so it cannot be inferred. Britmax (talk) 15:24, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • @Commcca: the posters above may have overreacted, because the way you formulated your query is a major sin for Wikipedia-dwellers (see WP:OWN). You cannot "claim" a page and control its contents; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia governed by a complex set of guidelines and the dual belief that (1) the best article is that which is written with those guidelines in mind and (2) ease to edit will help to enforce those guidelines (in most cases). Giving pages for their "owners" to maintain would run contrary to (2).
You could edit the page yourself, though this is highly discouraged, see WP:COI. In addition, if you are working for the district or the school, please immediately see WP:PAID.
What you should do is to edit the talk page of the article, describe what exactly you want changed, add sources to back up that information and place the magic words {{edit request}} at the top of it.
I will also add that while adding material beyond trivialities would require sources, removing unsourced material should be done on sight even without a source proving it is false. TigraanClick here to contact me 15:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Editing Program ?

What is a good program to use to edit Wikipedia pages ?

FDLeyda (talk) 15:54, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

  • @FDLeyda: it appears from your contributions that you already managed to edit Wikipedia, so I am wondering if you have a specific problem in mind...? Usually a web browser is enough. There are a lot of gadgets to change how you edit Wikipedia pages (notably Visual Editor). There also are programs ("bots") that perform tedious and easy-to-automate tasks, but you should not use one without getting it approved first. TigraanClick here to contact me 16:05, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Jamie Oliver

Error on article about Jamie Oliver - chef He has 5 children not 6.

You put in more work by commenting here than by fixing it! :P I've corrected it. If you catch an error, you're always more than welcome to correct it, though providing sources for your edits is strongly recommended. PureRED | talk to me | 19:26, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

New red link page

I clicked on a red link and ended up here: The red link page used to have a link that searched Wikipedia for the page title. Why was it removed? (talk) 20:53, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

The landing page is part of Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed article creation trial, announced at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#ACTRIAL beginning today. I think there are several issues and have posted to Wikipedia talk:Autoconfirmed article creation trial#Deletion log not shown. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
I can see how this would be confusing to a new user who is trying to use the search function, and I've posted a request at Wikipedia talk:New user landing page. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:49, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Correction to a name You have the name listed as Charles Emmerich, in fact it is Bob Emmerich

He was my father so I know it is correct. He wrote and adapted the actual music.— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:59, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Comment Not certain as to reliability, but [3]. Eagleash (talk) 21:07, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I would say discogs copied Wikipedia. Composed by Bob Emmerich. [4]. I will make the change. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Probably did! Eagleash (talk) 21:34, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Our Love is the title of many songs. The above discogs link is about a 1959 song. Our Love (song) is about the 1939 song in this discogs link saying Bob Emmerich. By the way, see Stay#Songs for a really common title. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:37, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
1959 was the year the Ted Heath album containing the song was released. It was a compilation of songs based on classical originals. The Our Love (song) page refers to the adaptation from Tchaikovsky. However, seems 'Bob' is correct. Eagleash (talk) 22:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

2018 Major League Baseball season

Thank you for starting the 2018 Major League Baseball season article I thank you for this and I Am glad you started a couple of days ago. Next Year will look forward to the 2019 Major League Baseball Season article. will talk about that next year. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:F5AE:AF3B:D7FE:8881 (talk) 23:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Dudley Marjoribanks, 1st Baron Tweedmouth

Ref 1 which I have just added - does not clearly have who the publisher is. Please leave in the quote when you fix this up if you can.Srbernadette (talk) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Fixed Eagleash (talk) 23:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

September 19

Odd alert

I received an Alert that I was mentioned in this edit, but I'm not. What am I missing? Is something up with Alerts? Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 03:01, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@TransporterMan: This part of the edit... you RULE {{User:Hasteur}} the draftspace ...accidentally transcluded a copy of Hasteur's user page into the noticeboard. This would have triggered a notification to all the editors linked from that page. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:01, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Hmm... It is interesting to know that notifications go through template transclusions. It is logical (after all, {{U|Foo}} and [[User:Foo]] have to deliver the same notification somehow), but not an intuitive behavior. (Or maybe I am just slow-thinking.) TigraanClick here to contact me 12:36, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
[[User:Foo]] is just a link, of course, with no notification, but I assume you meant {{User:Foo}} Dbfirs 15:55, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
And I guess Tigraan meant {{User|Foo}} ;) (notice the pipe instead of the colon). [[User:Foo]] displays a link to Foo's userpage (User:Foo), {{User:Foo}} transcludes Foo's userpage, and {{User|Foo}} links to Foo's userpage/talk page/contribs and pings Foo (Foo (talk · contribs)). –FlyingAce✈hello 17:37, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure why User:Dbfirs says that [[User:Foo]] is just a link with no notification; Wikipedia:Notifications#Triggering events seems to say that such a link will trigger a notification, or have I misread it? We'll see whether Dbfirs gets notified of this message. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:24, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Sorry! I was wrong! I did get a notification. I'll strike the comment. Dbfirs 19:43, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Multiple sandboxes?

Hi, my sandbox is getting too cluttery. How can I make additional sandboxes, one for each subject I'm working on? GreyGoose (talk) 03:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi GreyGoose. User:GreyGoose/sandbox example is an example I created for you. You could create more by making similar named pages, for example User:GreyGoose/your_topic_here. Hope this helps. Thanks. Lourdes 03:18, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the titling info, Lourdes. How would I actually go about newly creating something like that? GreyGoose (talk) 03:23, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Click on this link and in your browser's web address link box, replace the term "your_topic_here" with any title you prefer. Thanks. Lourdes 03:26, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Ah, OK thanks. So for any future sandboxes, I go into the last one and change the URL? GreyGoose (talk) 03:34, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Yup!Naraht (talk) 03:53, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi GreyGoose. Please see Wikipedia:How to create a page, where multiple ways to create pages are described, including this one as "Method 4: changing a URL". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:13, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Coast to Coast Funding Group

Who is the parent co. of Coast to Coast Funding Group? Is it radio program, Coast to Coast AM? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

  • Hello there. This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. For your particular question, you could use the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities desk. Thanks. Lourdes 10:05, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I need to delete my wiki page or delete the info on it

Hi! I have a wiki page. I don't know how it started but I would like to either have the information on it deleted (as most of it is incorrect) or have it deleted completely how do I go about that. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartcar2 (talkcontribs)

Smartcar2, it would us give you a relevant answer if you were to tell us which page you are referring to. †dismas†|(talk) 16:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Smartcar2. I'm guessing that you are referring to a Wikipedia article about you. If so, then I have to tell you that it is not your article, and you do not get to say whether we keep it or not. However; we want articles to be accurate as far as possible, according to published sources. So, if there are few published sources about you, then the article will probably get deleted for that reason. If there are published sources independent of you, so that you are Notable in Wikipedia's terms, then the article will be kept. If there are particular items in the article which you want removed, then if they are not sourced to a reliable published source, anybody may remove them. Other than that, you are welcome to suggest changes to the article (on its talk page); or to contact Wikipedia by email if there are matters you don't want to discuss publicly. Please see WP:AUTOPROB for how to proceed. --ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Smartcar2 seems to be referring to Jason Ybarra. Smartcar2 - you need to read and follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Contact us - Subjects. Shearonink (talk) 19:13, 19 September 2017 (UTC)


How do you correct incorrect info in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mick Robinson (talkcontribs) 20:45, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

The question's pretty much answered on your talk page here - you need to be able to source the information, rather than just change it. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:48, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
...except if the original information itself is unsourced, in which case it can be removed (without needing to point to a contrary source). TigraanClick here to contact me 16:50, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Consistent citation style with legislation

Hi there, apologies if this isn't the right place for this question.

Looking at Railways in Melbourne, which uses just about every citation style under the sun, but mostly uses WP:CS1 templates, I was trying to work out how I might go about making the citations consistent. The article cites a number of pieces of Victorian legislation (see for instance numbers 32–36), and I'm not sure how I'd go about making these consistent with CS1. There is a template available, {{Cite Legislation AU}} but I'm not sure if this would be appropriate. I appreciate any help or guidance in finding the right place for this question. Triptothecottage (talk) 23:59, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

September 20

EBSCO access

I currently have access to EBSCO via Wikipedia. I understand that this access expires after one year. Is that correct, and can I apply for access again once my current access has expired? FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 01:26, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes FreeKnowledgeCreator. I have EBSCO access through Wikipedia. I too will apply if the registration expires. Thanks. Lourdes 14:26, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Kindly make my write up an encyclopedia article

Kindly make my write up an encyclopedia article:

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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Dr. Abdul Ruff Colachal is a columnist in English language on international politics. Abdul Ruff focuses on international relations with focus on foreign policy. He regularly contributes articles to intentional newspapers and journals like 'Foreign Policy News', 'Modern Diplomacy', 'South Asian Journal', 'India Forward', 'Kashmir Watch'. 'Indian Muslim Observer'. Dr. Abdul Ruff teaches English and Russian. He has a Ph. D in literature and has traveled widely in India and abroad. He has been critical of Indian HIndutva politics, Islamophobia, state arrogance and state terror operations against humanity. References[edit]

1. Indian Politics: Implications Of AAP Win In Delhi By-Poll – OpEd: [1] 2. China, Russia support North Korea, urge USA for talks at UN: [2] 3. 70 years of Kashmir under Indian occupation: [3] 4. From Afghanistan to World War III: [4] 5. Self-purification: Purpose of Holy Hajj: [5] 6. Post coup foreign policy of Turkey!: [6] 7. Bangladesh–Malaysia relations - Wikipedia.–Malaysia_relations Bangladesh–Malaysia relations refers to the relations between the two countries. Both enjoy .... Jump up to: Dr. Abdul Ruff Colachal (7 May 2008). 8. Corruption, liquor, price rise, unemployment and Hindutva - issues in Tamil Nadu poll 2016!: 9. India expands presence in Indian Ocean Region, offering military help: 10. Politics of Emerging World by Abdul Ruff Colachal: Dictus Publishing: 11. From Afghanistan to World War III - The Middle East Times - International: 12. Nepal reclaims lands from India - Pakistan Defence: 13. US and the new UN chief: 14.Turkey elections: 15. UNSC votes to end Israeli settlements: What next? - Holiday: 16. Islam: The Spiritual Message of Ramadan Fasting: Jump up ^ "Indian Politics: Implications Of AAP Win In Delhi By-Poll – OpEd". 1 September 2017. Jump up ^ "China, Russia support North Korea, urge USA for talks at UN". Jump up ^ Ruff, Dr. Abdul. "70 years of Kashmir under Indian occupation". Jump up ^ "From Afghanistan to World War III - KashmirWatch". 10 September 2017. Jump up ^ "Self-purification: Purpose of Holy Hajj". 1 September 2017. Jump up ^ Colachal, Abdul Ruff (2017-08-03). "Post coup foreign policy of Turkey!". Indian Muslim Observer. Retrieved 2017-09-10. — 

Preceding unsigned comment added by Colachal (talkcontribs) 02:35, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Colachal, it's not clear what you're asking. This page is for asking questions about using Wikipedia, not for posting draft articles. Please read Wikipedia:Your first article for general information. If you have any specific questions, feel free to return here or visit the Teahouse, a forum especially for new users. RivertorchFIREWATER 03:11, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

My Page has not been published

I have created a page & submitted for review but it has been almost 4 weeks and the page has not been published. I would appreciate if you could look into this — Preceding unsigned comment added by MCIdubai (talkcontribs) 06:58, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

There is a currently long queue for the review process. When Draft:Dr._Abdulrazzaq_Al_Madani does get reviewed, if it's still in its current state, it will certainly be rejected, as it cites no sources at all. It does list some sources, but these all seem to be about what Dr. Al-Madani has said rather than what others have said about him, and so do not help to establish that he is notable enough to be the subject of an article. Maproom (talk) 07:10, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Admiral John C. Harvey, Jr Wikipedia page

Could you please remove my signature from the page? I'm very uncomfortable with having that seen in such a public forum! Thank you, John C. Harvey, Jr Admiral, US Navy (Ret) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:01, 20 September 2017‎ (UTC)

I've removed it on the grounds that the signature was gathered from a primary source instead of a secondary source. There is no consensus as to whether we should include signatures or not, but it's reasonable to not include any signatures that only appear in primary sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:07, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Ian.thomson Can you or a Commons admin take a look at the uploader's contributions on Commons? I only had time for a quick look but it seems like that user has maybe been doing pretty much the same thing with other persons' signatures... Shearonink (talk) 14:29, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
"If a person (or a representative of) requests that their signature be removed from an article, the signature should be removed, and the Wikipedia:OTRS team should be notified." -- Wikipedia:Signatures of living persons#Privacy
John C. Harvey, I would advise also sending an email to one of the addresses listed at Wikipedia:Contact OTRS. They can delete the signature from the page history. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:40, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Shearonink, pulling signatures from primary documents is pretty common practice. In fact, where else would you normally get them from? I see no problem with removing the signature on request, as we do fairly commonly with fairly mundane personal details like real names and birthdays when the subject expresses concern, and the removal isn't detrimental to the article. But the use of a primary source for an image is not really a big deal (indeed official DoD photos may be considered primary, and we use millions of those), especially since this self-published letter apparently falls under WP:SELFPUB. TJWtalk 14:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Also Guy Macon, the content probably wouldn't qualify for revdel, since is it unquestionably public information, from a public open letter, to a public official, from another public official. Removing it from the infobox is merely a courtesy. TJWtalk 14:47, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Aye, while the removal from the visible text could be done as a courtesy (I forget which part of BLP discusses such requests) but the case for revision deletion is thin. Incidentally, a signature is not analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis so it does not need to come from a secondary source, just from a reliable one. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:58, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
WP:BLPPRIVACY, at least in spirit. TJWtalk 15:10, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't disagree that pulling sigs from primary docs is a common practice but I was just thinking it might be advisable to look through the various sigs that Commons editor has been posting to see if any other subject has raised similar issues - that's all. And yeah, agree that removing the sig from public view is about as much as we can do at this point. Shearonink (talk) 19:03, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Have you ever seen one thing that seems like a little thing but the more you look the more turns into a tar baby? That's how I feel with this signature thread. I initially only skimmed the discussion but then I saw two editors suggest that "the content probably wouldn't qualify for revdel" and "the case for revision deletion is thin". That presumably was in response to the comment by @Guy Macon: that an email to OTRS might result in deletion of the signature from the page history. I'll start with my puzzlement that revision deletion would even be an issue. I accept that looking on recent revisions of the article will display the signature, but using revision deletion seems like the wrong tool. I think deletion of the image is the right tool, which I'll get back to in a minute.

I'm troubled that John C Harvey Jr. has written to the Wikipedia helpdesk requesting removal, and a reasonable person would interpret the response "I removed it…" as thinking that the signature has been removed. Yes, it has been removed from the page but it is still in existence as a Commons image. Presumably, the subject isn't objecting to the signature being connected to the page about him, but the fact that the signature is available and might be used inappropriately. We've done very little to respond to that concern, and in fact we left the impression that we've responded to it.

I next looked at the link provided by @Ian Thompson:, which linked to Wikipedia:Signatures of living persons. That's where we see the advice that the "Wikipedia:OTRS team should be notified". As an OTRS agent, my next question was "why is OTRS being notified?" I looked to see who added the advice to the page as it simply says that the team should be notified but doesn't give any guidance on what that notification message should contain. Unfortunately, it was added by an editor who hasn't edited since 2011. I have a guess — one of the things that OTRS does is verify identity and we certainly wouldn't want to respond to a request from an anonymous editor without knowing their identity (although we just did). Except that's a guess — the instructions don't indicate why OTRS should be contacted, and if my guess is correct, it's moot in this case because the removal was made without confirmation of identity.

@Guy Macon: is the editor who suggested contacting OTRS, but in the context of that sentence, it doesn't seem to be an identification issue it seems to be about revision deletion. While many OTRS agents can do revision deletion, that's not the first port of call for revision deletion requests, they should go to oversight in general (arguably you can contact an admin if you are certain that it would never qualify for suppression, but best practices are to contact oversight and let them make the call. In full disclosure, I've nominated myself for oversight so that helps explain my interest in this issue.).

I'll also note the page at the link is not policy, not even a guideline but a guidance essay. (I generally support the advice.) The essay supports deletion, but I will note that the essay wasn't used as the rationale for deletion. I'm troubled by the lack of an explanation in that essay for the contact to be sent to OTRS but I'll take that up on the essay talk page.

I'm more troubled by the fact that the essay makes the strong statement "concerns about privacy and identity theft make it imperative that signatures be removed upon the request of the subject." I'm not troubled by the advice per se, as I think it is sound, but it is an essay in Wikipedia and the signature itself is in Commons. Removal of the signature from the article page is only one small step if the goal is identity theft. The more important step is removing it from Commons. At a minimum, the essay ought to discuss this issue and talk about how that step should be taken, but again that's a subject for the talk page of that essay not necessarily something that should be acted on at the help desk.--S Philbrick(Talk) 23:52, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Regardless of WP policy/guidelines I am personally uncomfortable with Wikipedia/Wikimedia/Commons providing easy access to living persons' signatures. Yes, yes, I know that if someone signs a letter as part of governmental communication then FOI/etc...but *still*. Shearonink (talk) 01:01, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I think it's, in general, excellent that the US federal government has decided that works of federal employees should be public domain, but I wonder if they thought through the implications of effectively making signatures of living people public domain.--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:06, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
For my part, I was simply repeating the "Wikipedia:OTRS team should be notified" advice without giving it a lot of thought. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
And I have now posted to the essay talk page, asking, among other things, for someone to explain what that advice means.--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:04, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Reference citation looks like a comment from the articles editor

What am I missing? The wiki page about John Tierney, New York Times Columnist's bio has a reference citation (#5 that looks like a comment from the article's editor. Its a statement that would seem to need its own reference for authority of quote or proof. I'm not sure if that is what I'm seeing or if I'm just uneducated and missing something about how the page is supposed to work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheltonkeithcandy (talkcontribs) 16:15, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

It's a quote from ref 4. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:21, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Ahh. I hadn't spotted that. I just deleted it as unreferenced. Maproom (talk) 16:24, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
And now that I've looked at ref 4, I see that the quote appears be be written by Tierney, so not an independent source. I'll leave it deleted, but I shan't mind if someone undeletes it. Maproom (talk) 16:28, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Non-official language in city infobox head

In the article Beirut, the French name is listed alongside the Arabic name in the infobox head. Since French is not an official language of Lebanon, but is a second language, shouldn't it be enough to list the French name in the opening sentence of the article and not in the infobox head? e.g. Tétouan and Meknes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarook97 (talkcontribs) 17:01, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

  • Hi Tarook97, per WP:INFOBOXGEO, the infobox head may contain such alternate names. If you feel strongly about it, start a discussion at Talk:Beirut. Come back if you need more help. Cheers. Lourdes 17:08, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Total number of bytes added/removed by an editor

Is there any way to see the total number of bytes I've added or removed across all articles over my entire Wikipedia history? Just curious. Popcornduff (talk) 18:27, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

There's an old thread at the Village Pump asking a similar question, with no good answer. It would be possible to estimate from the X!'s tools edit counter if the "Ø change per page" parameter didn't always seem to read "extended". You might try directly asking one of the tool developers listed at the bottom of the edit counter page (non-beta version). RivertorchFIREWATER 21:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Help needed to find a source

Dear editors: While recovering some dead links to the Canadian Encyclopedia, I came across this article: Shaun Going, which depends substantially on an article in Maclean's magazine which was republished at the Canadian Encyclopedia website. The link at the encyclopedia has been redirected to an article about the Trailer Park Boys. I've tried searching the Canadian Encyclopedia for the article title and for the subject's name. I've looked at the Wayback Machine and to find the article. Does anyone have another idea for how I can find this article? Or should I just mark it as a dead link and move on?—Anne Delong (talk) 19:00, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Hi Anne, hope you're well. The Maclean's archives lists only three articles (all published in the year 2000) that contain the term "Shaun Going". (Highbeam has not archived the full version of these articles, only two or three paragraphs). You could take a trial membership of the Maclean's archival service and cancel it without charge once you've the checked the full text of the three articles. Thanks. Lourdes 03:53, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Lourdes. That's a good idea.—Anne Delong (talk) 04:33, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

My profile

I want to creat my profile — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammed faheem uddin (talkcontribs) 19:09, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Hey Mohammed faheem uddin. It looks like you've already found your user page, which is the closest thing to a "profile" there is on Wikipedia. Other than that, this is a place for encyclopedia articles on subjects that meet our standards for notability, which generally means receiving sustained in-depth coverage in reliable sources, usually things like books, magazines and newspapers. GMGtalk 19:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Copyright issues

Hi, You guys are using my photo yo display Fresno, California and I was never asked permission - please contact me for the right to use my photo

Rodney Gavroian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1010:B111:5B38:80DB:E75C:42F5:A13F (talk) 22:15, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I assume you are talking about Fresno, California page, if so can you advise us which picture is suppose to be yours? NZ Footballs Conscience(talk)

Please do not include phone numbers. If there is a need to make a telephone call, we'll figure out how to get that information privately to someone but this is too public a place to post your phone number.--S Philbrick(Talk) 00:14, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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