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August 17

JSTOR Access

Does anyone have access to JSTOR? I am trying to get this article ( for a page that I am working on. Thanks. //nepaxt 00:51, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi //nepaxt, please send me a wikimail and I’ll reply with the paper. Hint: for future requests, there’s WP:RX. Cheers  hugarheimur 01:18, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! //nepaxt 01:24, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Nepaxt, if you need access to JSTOR more often, you might want to apply for a free account via the Wikipedia Library. The JSTOR page shows that no accounts are available now, but you could get on a waiting list. Eddie Blick (talk) 23:54, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


Hi, I noticed that the page that I had created and maintained for the last several years has been removed! The name of the page was "Khawaja Reazuddin Atash". Atash was a popular Urdu poet and writer. All the information provided about his life and accomplishments were true and informative. Can you please let me know what was the reason the page was removed and who initiated the process? Why was the page not considered worthy of Wikipedia? You may send your response to <redacted>. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fkhawaja (talkcontribs) 01:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Fkhawaja! What happened is an editor didn't think that the article met our notability guidelines, so decided to nominate it for deletion. The type of deletion process that was chosen was Articles for deletion, a process usually lasting 1 or 2 weeks but will rarely go for 4 or more weeks, where multiple users can discuss whether they think the article in question is suitable for Wikipedia, usually based off of the notability guidelines. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khawaja Reazuddin Atash is the venue where the deletion discussion for this specific article was held. Several users participated, and because the consensus seemed to be to delete the article, an administrator deleted it. I hope this helps clarify things, and if you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 01:09, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Harry Levy-Lawson, 1st Viscount Burnham

I cannot see clearly on my device - please correct re number 11 - it is in red. Sorry (talk) 02:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done Eagleash (talk) 03:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


Amitor was created by Tom Hufford and Dianne Kisselberg to develop a word that expresses nonviolence. The word comes from the word Amigo or friend in English and to powerful ending, Amitor is accepted by many people throughout the United States. It has not been accepted by the noraal dictionaries, but we cannot determine why it has not — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:38, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

See WP:Neologisms. Unless there's professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources discussing the history and use of the word, it's not getting an article. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:52, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Transwiki notification

I received a notification to go to a page titled exactly "Community Tech/Newsletters/Commons notification bot and SVG translate - August 2018" on another wiki. I thought it was from meta wiki I copied the page name and posted directions to it on several important en talk pages. The link I posted goes nowhere, meta wiki does not find the title. It must be somewhere else but my notification has also disappeared so I can't trace it. How do I find the notification and correct this link? Trackinfo (talk) 04:45, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes and I received an answer. Trackinfo (talk) 21:04, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Bravissimo company page

Hi, I work for Bravissimo and am trying to update our page but my edits are being reverted. Please can you tell me why? LoveBravissimo (talk) 12:07, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

LoveBravissimo I don't know why the editor who reverted your edits did so, but I would have done the same. Your edits were not supported by citations, and could not be verified. We need independent, reliable sources for our articles. Please note that as an employee of the company, you must comply with our policy on paid contribution. --Vexations (talk) 12:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your info. I did have links for everything I posted. None of them were links to our own company website, therefore were independent. Why could these not be verified? For example, I've tried to update the number of shops and employees that we have to give you more accurate information - how can I get these updated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveBravissimo (talkcontribs) 12:44, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

You were reverted due to the fact you work for the company (IE your changes were IMHO on the promotional side), As per WP:COI you should refrain from editing the article and use the talkpage. –Davey2010Talk 12:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks so much for clarifying - could you tell me why I can't update the factual information such as the number of employees or shops? I can't see how these can result in a COI. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveBravissimo (talkcontribs) 13:05, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I know you've been open about the edits and who you work for, but I need to point out that your username is in violation of Wikipedia's policy. See WP:ORGNAME - X201 (talk) 13:34, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

If I change my username, can I update our page? Even though this seems less transparent and honest IMHO! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveBravissimo (talkcontribs) 13:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
No, you should not edit the article directly, but you can make suggestions on the talk page. Please do provide references, even for simple factual changes like the number of employees or the number of stores. Practical advice applicable to your situation is available at Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide --Vexations (talk) 14:02, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
I've blocked LoveBravissimo as a username violation, although since he or she been transparent, I've not prevented account creation. I've also posted an advisory that there is a mandatory requirement to post the {{Paid}} template on the user page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:03, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Does nationality need to be verified?

Hello, Could I ask if the nationality of a biographical subject needs to be verified? I've tried googling this and reading various Wikipedia pages, but I can't find the answer. I had always assumed that it didn't, but the nationality of a subject has been removed as unsubstantiated. Thanks very much for your expertise! Srsval (talk) 12:35, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Everything needs to be verifiable. Things that others have removed as unsubstantiated need to be verified (i.e. you need to provide a citation). – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 12:50, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
No reason why it shouldn't. However, if there's no sources that disagree, you may "get away" with using something selfpublished (like Facebook or Twitter) per WP:SELFSOURCE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:30, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Dragon boat

In the Dragon boat article, why is the caption on the dragon boat drummer photo in bold? †dismas†|(talk) 12:58, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

There was a ; in front of the file link, I have removed it here. DuncanHill (talk) 13:03, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

the WIKI Page: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia

I think someone needs to go and freeze the information on this page and start doing a great deal of fact-checking.

Already, some of the information is not being reported accurately from the Grand Jury report -- OR, people are going in and editing/changing the data, misrepresenting a lot of the numbers and information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


Now that I have my article ready, how do I submit it for review so that it can go public? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brownca1 (talkcontribs) 16:19, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@Brownca1: You're really going to want to start over before asking anyone to review it. As it is, it's a PR piece, which we don't allow. Here's what you should do:
1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.
2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.
3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.
4) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.
5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.
6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.
7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.
8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).
Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:24, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Uploading a Page on Wikipedia

Dear Sir or Madam;

I have created a page on wikipedia, have edited a couple of times and uploaded but it still does not come up in a general search.

This is the link info:

Can you please guide me on how to continue the process.


Ben — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdelbens (talkcontribs) 19:45, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

User pages, such as yours, User:Abdelbens are intended to facilitate communication between editors. They are not part of the encyclopedia and are not indexed by search engines. If you want to publish the article, you have to move it to Hind Arroub You may want to consider working on it a bit more, move it User:Abdelbens/sandbox or Draft:Hind Arroub instead and then submit it to the Articles for Creation, by adding the code {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft or sandbox page. You may want to read Wikipedia:Your first article. Vexations (talk) 20:07, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
I moved it to Draft:Hind Arroub; but it's going to need a lot before it becomes even remotely acceptable. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Parts of the article look like they have been copied: Notice the similarities between the draft article and here for example: [1]. We take copyright violations very seriously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vexations (talkcontribs) 21:30, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

August 18

Imran Khan

Please note for the bibliography section under this individual's entry that my name is correctly spelt "Christopher Sandford" . Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:50, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Confirmed on publisher's website and corrected in article. Rojomoke (talk) 06:01, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Scam external link

Users and have been adding a fake external link into articles about various NFL-related shows and services. The link is to a scam website pretending to be an NFL website and offering paid subscriptions using credit cards. I found and removed the links that were inserted by those two IP 35 accounts but have no idea how to find any others. I'm sure there are a lot more that were sneaked into articles. So if anyone can find and eliminate them, that would be good. Thanks. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 07:06, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting. I "insource"-searched for and, and have removed four links. Are there other domains we should look out for? @all: should these domains be added to a blacklist? Sam Sailor 08:28, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Sam. I don't know if there are other domains, but I'd be very surprised if there aren't more. The one thing that stands out with the ones we've found so far is that all the articles they were sneaked into have "NFL" in the title. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 09:59, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 Hi Thanks for reporting. Both users added in the promotional/spam links have been warned - see here and here. You could warm the such user next time by using WP:Twinkle tool. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 12:19, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
If you notice patterns of repeated spamming in the future and warnings have been ignored, you can also report these incidents at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam or directly at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist for blacklisting requests. I have reported both sites there - thank you for noticing these issues. GermanJoe (talk) 12:35, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome. Thanks all for the help, info and advice. I appreciate it. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 16:17, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
@GermanJoe: Thanks for passing that on, Joe!
@CASSIOPEIA: FYI, Twinkle requires autoconfirmed, and warning users on dynamic IP connections as here 3-7 days after their edits are unlikely to be seen by that same user. STiki for example does not issue notifications or warnings if an edit is more than 24 hours old. Sam Sailor 10:00, 19 August 2018 (UTC)



On the Kinderdijk page, there is written in the infobox "Location of Kinderdijk in Netherlands." Can someone change that to "Location of Kinderdijk in the Netherlands" (remove the dot and add "the") since it includes code I do not know how to deal with? Thanks!

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 10:31, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

I've got rid of the full stop at the end of the caption (per WP:CAPFRAG) by this edit to the template, but the addition of "the" in this case isn't so simple. I don't know whether a redirect from Module:Location map/data/the Netherlands to Module:Location map/data/Netherlands would work. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:44, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 Done - First request done. Taketa (talk) 07:05, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
It's the same on Canals of Amsterdam with "Show map of Netherlands". Can someone also add "the" there? WhatsUpWorld (talk) 11:37, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
At present the modules do not allow for "the Netherlands". Duplicating the content of Module:Location map/data/Netherlands at Module:Location map/data/the Netherlands would seem like a sledge-hammer approach, but perhaps someone can find a better solution. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Problem with content of history of "Bhumihar" topic of Wikipedia

In the history of "bhumihar " topic of Wikipedia there is written that bhumihar caste is offspring of bramhinmen and rajput women or offspring of rajput men and bramhin women . Or bhumihar is hybrid of bramhin and rajput(khetriya) which is wrong.But actually the ancestors of bhumihar caste is bramhin.

so that statement is actually insult of bhumihar caste people.and we strongly condemned this. Therefore I request your team to remove this controversial statement as soon as. Unless we think about some other Constitutional​ option to remove this by court.i think you must remove this .I am waiting for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

The article Bhumihar gives various accounts of the origin of the Bhumihars. It does not state "that bhumihar caste is offspring of bramhin men and rajput women", it describes that as a legend. It says "The Bhumihars themselves dislike these narratives ..., and claim to be pure Brahmins."
Your threat of legal action may cause your right to edit Wikipedia to be removed, unless you retract it. Maproom (talk) 19:30, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The wording reads, "some non-Bhumihars have implied that they are the mixed-race offspring of Brahmin men and Kshatriya women". It is not a statement but a report of an opinion which is reliably sourced. It is therefore not very likely that it will be removed. Do not make legal threats (see that page) or you may lose editing privileges. You should immediately withdraw that threat. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 19:33, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Article 15 of the Constitution of India? Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:15, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Problem with Peruvian location maps and Zip files

Basically, on Ubinas File:Peru physical map.svg apparently automatically displays and that is a problem in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ubinas/archive1 ‎ because that file has no information on where the topographical info comes from. I suspect it comes from here or one of the files listed on File:Reserva Nacional de Paracas topographic map-es.png but I can't tell as they are ZIP files and I have no way to open them. Alternatively I could remove the map but the template shows no clear way to do so. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:57, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

You can disable the map by removing the |map=peru Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:11, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
The map does seem quite useful so it'd be sad if you have to remove it; from googling the issue would be that these are .hgt files that can only be opened with particular software. Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:28, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree with this but without a source it isn't a good map for a featured article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:42, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

August 19

Another map problem

Hi guys,

Yesterday you already helped me with a map problem I had on the Kinderdijk. I'm working on some more Netherlands pages and have three problems:

  • The first one concerns Zaanse Schans. The Netherlands location map (in the infobox) does not show where the place is in the country although coordinates are filled in.
  • The second one concerns Amsterdam. I would like to change "Location of Amsterdam in Netherlands" into "Location of Amsterdam in the Netherlands" and "Show map of Netherlands" into "Show map of the Netherlands".
  • The third and last one concerns Grachtengordel. In the infobox there is a link "[UNESCO World Heritage Site]" and I would like it to change into "[UNESCO] [World Heritage site]".

Thanks so much for your help! WhatsUpWorld (talk) 13:39, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

I fixed the first problem. {{Infobox settlement}} doesn't support a "locmapin" field; you have to use "pushpin_map". Deor (talk) 13:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't think the third one can be done as things stand. The link is coded that way in {{Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site}}. I don't really see the problem, as it only takes an extra click to get from the World Heritage site article to the UNESCO article. Deor (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Can't you change the code to avoid the redirection and have two different links? Thanks for solving the first one! Maybe I'll consider using the infobox template of Kinderdijk on the Grachtengordel page. WhatsUpWorld (talk) 14:12, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

LT Bobby Ross

Hello! I would like to know why you have nothing about LT Bobby Ross? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:40, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello IP, and welcome to Wikipedia. This person [2]? I did a quick google/news search [3] and couldn't find any sources that would be considered reliable/enough to base a WP-article on. However, if you have such sources, you are welcome to try to write an article. It's not super-easy, but if there's good sources, it can be done. Start by taking the time to read Wikipedia:Your first article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:06, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Please note carefully: The only fundamental requirement for an article is that the subject must be notable, as Wikipedia defines it, not as you define it: see WP:NOTABLE. While we strongly prefer that your article is well-written, even a poorly-written article on a notable subject will be retained, and even the most perfectly-written article on a non-notable subject will be deleted. Unless you can establish notability, please do not even try to create an article, as it will end in frustration. -Arch dude (talk) 17:00, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


In regards to the musical artist AC/DC ( SOMEONE keeps replacing legitimate information with fake news (e.g. Axl Rose). AXL ROSE (the "vocalist" of Guns n Roses) NEVER was a member of the band AC/DC. He was a guest on a handful of shows to finish out the bands last tour, Rock or Bust and nothing more. As of August, 2018, it has been confirmed that Brian Johnson (still, the official AC/DC singer since 1980) is back in the studio with the band, as is original drummer Phil Rudd. Also, please reference the OFFICIAL AC/DC WEBSITE WWW.ACDC.COM (c) Columbia Records/Sony Music Entertainment, Inc. regarding who are the actual members of AC/DC. ((ie. the site will be updated shortly to re-introduce Phil Rudd back into the lineup). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:13, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

The information you mention is cited in the article. If you have some issue with it, you should discuss the matter with the other editors on the article's talk page, Talk:AC/DC. 331dot (talk) 19:16, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Adding hidden text to a citation

Hi. It's been a very long time since I've written, and I'm rusty.

I know that it's possible to put text into an article that can only be seen when you're in edit source, but I forgot how to do that. Can someone please remind me? I had to jump through some hoops to get the date for a citation, and want to note where it can be found in hidden text.

Many thanks, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 19:36, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

You can use <!-- Comment --> to hide your comment like this: (hidden). See WP:Hidden text for more detail. Dbfirs 19:46, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 19:53, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Giving accounts to other people

Let’s say I got bored of Wikipedia (which could be possible in the future because of school). If so, am I allowed to give my account to someone else, like friends or family? Or does that violate WP:NOSHARING? Torrent01 (is cool) (talk) 19:46, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

@Torrent01: Yes, it would violate WP:NOSHARE. As is stated there, "Sharing an account – or the password to an account – with others is not permitted". If you think you might leave Wikipedia, you should just stop using your account. 331dot (talk) 19:50, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict):No, you should not give your account or your password to other people because each account must be an individual. If you get bored, just stop using your account, and you can come back to it at some future date if you wish. You might like to mention on your user page that you are no longer an active editor, then you can remove the message if you come back. Dbfirs 19:53, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict × 2) There's also WP:COMPROMISED to consider. If you are planning on never returning and want to pass the username on to someone else, what would be safer is to let whoever you want to "give" the name to register a similarly named account (like Torrent02 or Torrent001), post on your talk page and theirs that they have permission to usurp your username, then retire your current account. Otherwise, they just need to make their own account and you keep yours to yourself. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:53, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict × 3)That would violate no sharing. It would cause problems with copyright attribution. It would cause problems with anti-vandalism efforts. It would be gaming the system for auto-confirmed and extended protection. The point of having an account is having some knowledge of the person behind the account. If your friends or family want to edit, they should get their own account. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


Im going to have to retire because i never get my password right can you please visit my user page User:TheBigBoss3900 and put the retired template ? im sorry i couldn't return to Wikipedia in time. (talk) 20:44, 19 August 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:42, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done You are of course free to simply register a new account. I’d reccomens setting up email this time so this doesn’t happen again. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:54, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

How to create preview text for Wikipedia searches

I've been seeing a form of preview text in Wikipedia search results, as below:

Example of Wikipedia search results

What I mean is the line that says "public research university". I've been unable to find instructions on how to create this kind of preview text for pages I'm editing. I'll appreciate any instructions you can provide, or show me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterNordgren (talkcontribs) 21:00, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, PeterNordgren. I think that short description - like the one that appears in the mobile App - comes from Wikidata; in this case d:Q838330. You can get to it by picking "Wikidata item" from the sidebar of University of Wisconsin-Madison. --ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


How can I use a hard copy of a reference source (unavailable online)? Do I scan it? If so, how do I then convert it to a link? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Django1887 (talkcontribs) 22:23, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

@Django1887: No, that would be book piracy, which we do not allow.
Just cite a professionally-published source the same way you would an online source.
The source needs to be something that someone else could access without driving to your house or some county office or whatever, like maybe they could order it off of Amazon or something. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:25, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Django1887, please provide full bibliographic information in any such reference. For example, if you use a book, provide title and subtitle, author, publisher, publication date, relevant page numbers and the ISBN number. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:31, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
WP:CITEHOW has detailed information on how to do this, or just use {{citebook}} and fill out the relvant fields. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:47, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

The Three-Revert Rule

Reverting your own edits doesn't count toward the revert count in this rule, does it? Just wanted to make sure before risking it, lest I inadvertently break this rule and face punishment. Torrent01 (is cool) (talk) 22:56, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Dear Torrent01, undoing your own edit does not count as a revert. It has to be an edit by other editors. "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert." Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 23:01, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

How to correctly do a template

Hi, I don't know if this little problem has to be here. If not, I please want to somebody traslate this section where it corresponds.

Before all, I'm a ES wiki user, but I never found help in that place. I want to do a template, exactly like this but with more chances of adding more info to the header "Pilotos", obviously "Siglas" and "Rondas" too, but only adding as "optional" info, for example in one row putting two, and in another one putting 4 rows. I try to do the template on a small scale right here, but I have problems "hiding" the addional data, as you see here is there a small black background under the first column, because I don't know how to put these data as optional. I think the |style="color:#{{{equipo_1_color_letra|}}}; background:#{{{equipo_1_color_fondo|}}}; text-align:center;"| is hindering. Again, sorry if this don't have place here. shaGuarF1 23:22, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

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