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April 20

Thank you!

Thank you from a real person who has to check facts and ensure that the information i distribute to my children and friends is based in fact. I appreciate everything that the admins, staff,etc. do everyday to distribute only information that has been verified and coincide with other people places or things that we all know to be facts. THANK YOU ALL!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C101:56AC:1D45:E2F2:8135:FE9C (talk) 06:24, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Difficulty using harvnb template

I'm struggling to make a short-cite work on the climate sensitivity page. The reference after: The IPCC literature assessment estimates that TCR likely lies between 1 °C and 2.5 °C does not link to the full citation given in the sources section. I've tried a lot of different options and no idea what to try next. Could anybody more technically skilled than me have a look? Many thanks! Femke Nijsse (talk) 08:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@Femkemilene: I said ref= harv in the full citation.[1] "Collins et al. 2013" now links there. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Because in the {{harvnb}} you listed four individual authors but in the {{citation}} template you had |ref={{harvid|IPCC AR5 WG12013}}. Editor PrimeHunter changed that to |ref=harv. I removed that because {{citation}} sets |ref=harv automatically. I suspect that this problem is a carry-over from the silliness that confuses matters by naming title abbreviations as authors: |author=IPCC AR5 WG1 and |author=IPCC AR4 WG1 in the top two citation templates in §Sources but then, in the separate chapter {{citation}} templates, redefines that same 'author' name in |title=IPCC AR5 WG1. Yeah, don't do that. When taken in isolation (and these citations may be because cs1|2 create metadata that can be / is scraped by automated citation tools) the isolated citation claiming that 'IPCC AR5 WG1' will be wrong and mislead readers using that scraped data.
Trappist the monk (talk) 10:54, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Why has shading appeared on part of an edit I have done ?

Why has shading appeared on part of an edit I have done ? It was part of a paragraph of text I added. I assume I have made some sort of syntax error, how to fix it ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewHart500 (talkcontribs) 08:45, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@AndrewHart500: Fixed. There was a space in front of the very first character of your edit, which will produce the shaded area of text. Also fixed some curly apostrophes to straight ones. Some copy-editing may be necessary to make the language a little more neutral and encyclopedic. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 09:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
AndrewHart500 Sorry, the whole section will need to be revised as it was copied verbatim from the magazine interview cited. We can't do this because it is regarded as a copyright violation. Please rewrite the section in your own words, still citing the source, and adopting a neutral tone, taking particular care with regard to anything we say about living people: Bhunacat10 (talk), 09:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Bhunacat10, Face-smile.svg good catch. Eagleash (talk) 09:33, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Letter K - Index & Help Desk Templates ?

How fast do we want to kill-off Wikipedia®

And there's no letter K on the startup index of subjects. Wikipedia will see a big spurt of newcomers when volunteers and staff do a thorough house cleaning. See what's old, new, passé.

"Kraut Rock" LOVE it. More than the new Grunge description of lifestyle and musician techniques. But now I can't find it. Wikipedia must have thousands of fans and contributors overseas in Europe, the Middle East, almost everywhere. They might be willing and anxious to help. Are there really Five Levels for making format and content suggestions for Wikipedia? I've thought it's more easy going tossing around ideas. Not five stages and levels. Anyway, thank you all for listening.

Jim Setbacken104.220.57.85 (talk) 09:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello Jim. Do you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? I am not sure what you mean by a startup index, but you can find a list of all Wikipedia articles beginning with K at Special:AllPages/K. And we do have an article about Kraut rock. You can comment on that article on its talk page at Talk:Krautrock.--Shantavira|feed me 10:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
It's true that Wikipedia:Glossary had the J and K run together in the alphabetical contents bar (now fixed). But that glossary is only for special terms used within the Wikipedia project. To find Wikipedia articles, the commonest way is just to use the "Search Wikipedia" box present on every Wikipedia page. There are over 5 million articles now, so any search structure is bound to be complex. There is the alphabetical listing for any letter or group of letters, as the post above says. Then there is Portal:Contents, then there are systems of categories, indices, outlines, (dare I mention) portals...: Bhunacat10 (talk), 13:40, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Michelle McKinney Hammond

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Michelle Ayodele McKinney Hammond (born August 6, 1957) is the best-selling author of over 40 books, with over two million copies sold worldwide. Her best-selling titles include What To Do Until Love Finds You, The Diva Principle, Sassy, Single and Satisfied, 101 Ways to Get and Keep His Attention, and Secrets of an Irresistible Woman.

She is also an ordained minister, international speaker, singer/songwriter, actress, producer and television presenter as well as an ambassador for Compassion International.

Michelle has spoken for churches, conferences and corporate events from EWomen, Women of Virtue, The Potters House, World Changers, New Birth, The Crystal Cathedral, KICC, to Walmart.

A gifted songwriter/vocalist, Michelle has recorded four solo CD’s, It’s Amazing, Let’s Go In, Come Let Us Worship, and With Love.

She is the visionary and pastor of Relevance, a unique music ministry in Ghana, West Africa. Blending rock, reggae and jazz with African rhythyms have created their own genre of music called “Rockspiration”. They have written, produced and released 3 CD’s Forever, The Greatest Gift and For Love’s Sake.

She is an Emmy Award-winning co-host of the Total Living Networks’ television talk show Aspiring Women she co-hosted for ten years as well as over 100 episodes of TCT’s 3D Woman.

Michelle McKinney Hammond has most recently appeared in Roma Downey and Mark Burnett’s productions of Women of the Bible on Lifetime, and A.D. The Bible Continues. She has done inspirational segments on their new network and LIGHT tv. She has also appeared on countless television shows as including Bill Maher’s Politically Incorrect, E Channel’s “Soap Talk,” NBC’s The Other Half, The 700 Club, The James Robison Show, Better TV and BET’s Oh Drama! And has appeared as a regular relationship segment on WGN Morning News.

Michelle has also been featured in several African movies and television series and starred in the Ghanaian film Candle in The Wind. She recently completed writing, producing and starring in her first film entitled First Love, a romantic comedy.  She has appeared on the cover of, written, or been featured in articles in magazines such as Today’s Christian Woman, Precious Times, The Plain Truth, Gospel Today, Spirit Led Woman, Discipleship Journal, Shine, Essence, Ebony, Jet, Black Enterprise Magazine, The Chicago Tribune, The Associated Press and The New York Times. Following a devastating accident that left her bed-ridden, 3 surgeries later Michelle wrote her first bestseller, What To Do Until Love Finds You for Harvest House Publishers. She has emerged as a highly-respected author, Bible teacher, speaker and singer, and relationship/empowerment coach reaching a diverse audience nationally and internationally.

From 2007-2010 Michelle hosted several D.I.V.A. (Divine Inspiration for Victorious Attitude) Conferences and cruises in the U.S. These were a series of intensive empowerment workshops.

Michelle credits her songwriting ability to several mentors, Morris “Butch” Stewart, Paul David Wilson, Denise Mitchell and Sandra Crouch. Working with Morris and Paul crafting jingles for top clients in advertising was the perfect training ground for songwriting. Many collaborations occurred giving her a great catalog of songs. This expanded when she teamed up with Laney Stewart, “Kuk” Harrell, and Ken Hale landing them a song publishing deal with Famous Music Publishing, now Sony Music.

She credits Terri McFaddin Solomon, P. “Bunny” Wilson and Luther Blackwell as her spiritual mentors who impacted the way she studied the word of God and eventually began her writing career.

The Early Years

Born Michelle Sharon Branker, in London, England August 6, 1957. She relocated to Barbados, West Indies at the age of two. She attended St. Gabriels’ Girls School until she relocated to the United States at age seven settling in Muskegon, Michigan. She attended Froebel Elementary, East Grace Loftis Elementary, Muskegon Heights Junior High, and Catholic Central High School. Adopted by her mothers’ new husband, William McKinney her last name was changed to Michelle McKinney. Upon being reunited with her natural father George Hammond, years later her middle name was changed to her original name Ayodele and the name Hammond was added to her name. Thus, her present name Michelle Ayodele McKinney Hammond. She worked at The Muskegon Chronicle while attending Muskegon Junior College studying Graphic Arts. She then moved to Chicago, Illinois and attended Ray Vogue School of Design and completed a course on Commercial Art. 1979-1991 Michelle spent 15 years as an award-winning art director/copywriter/producer at the largest AA advertising agency in the US, Burrell Communications. Her clients included Coca Cola USA, McDonald’s, Procter & Gamble, GMC and Ford Motor Company. She worked with numerous celebrities including Aretha Franklin, Earth,Wind and Fire, Nancy Wilson, Don Cheadle, Ray Parker Jr., New Edition, The Temptations, Al Jarreau, Kool and the Gang, Peabo Bryson, Kristoff St. John, Richard Lawson, Dennis Haysbert. The O Jays and many more. She won numerous awards including a USA Television Award, Windy Award, a Gold & Bronze Philo, and over 20 CEBA (Creative Excellence in Black Advertising Awards)

Michelle has sung or performed voice-overs for national radio and television commercials for Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, Sprite, Ford Motor Company, Crest Toothpaste and Extra Sugar-Free Gum.


Michelle resides in Ghana, West Africa and travels extensively throughout America and internationally, speaking to men and women from all walks of life.

Books Authored by Michelle McKinney Hammond

• What To Do Until Love Finds You, Harvest House Publishers • Secrets of an Irresistible Woman, Harvest House Publishers • The Power of Being A Woman, Harvest House Publishers • Sassy, Single and Satisfied, Harvest House Publishers • Why Do I Say Yes When I Need To Say No, Harvest House Publishers • 101 Ways to Get and Keep His Attention, Harvest House Publishers • The Diva Principle, Harvest House Publishers • The Diva-tudes, Harvest House Publishers • A Sister Girls’ Guide to Living, Loving and Overcoming, Harvest House Publishers • If Men Are Like Buses How Do I Catch One?, Multnomah Publishers • How to Be Blessed and Highly Favored, Waterbrook Press • Get Over It and On With It, Waterbrook Press • In Search of the Proverbs 31 Man, Waterbrook Press • How to Be Found by the Man You’ve Been Looking For, Harvest House Publishers • Finding the Right Woman for You, Harvest House Publishers • Where Are You God?, Harvest House Publishers • Lessons From A Girls Best Friend, Harvest House Publishers • A Sassy Girls Guide to Loving God, Harvest House Publishers • How To Avoid the 10 Mistakes Single Women Make, Harvest House Publishers • If Singleness Is A Gift What Is the Return Policy?, Thomas Nelson Publishers • Single-minded Devotion, Harvest House Publishers • How to Make Love Work, Faith Words/Hachette Publishing • How to Make Life Work, Faith Words/Hachette Publishing • How To Get Past Disappointment, Harvest House Publishers • How To Be Happy Where You Are, Harvest House Publishers • How To Get The Best Out Of Your Man, Harvest House Publishers • A Woman’s Gotta Do What A Woman’s Gotta Do, Harvest House Publishers • Diva-nomics, Tyndale Publishing • The Real Skinny on Losing It, Tyndale Publishing • The Real Deal on Love and Men, Harvest House Publishers • Getting Smart About Life, Love and Men, Harvest House Publishers • Secrets to a Man’s Heart, Harvest House Publishers • Right Attitudes for Right Living, Harvest House Publishers • What Women Don’t Know and Men Don’t Tell You, Busara Press • The Last Ten Percent, Harvest House Publishers • Playing God, Harvest House Publishers • The Real Deal on Overcoming Heartache, Harvest House Publishers • Release the Pain, Embrace the Joy, Regal Publishing • Wounded Hearts, Renewed Hope, Harvest House Publishers • Intimate Thoughts, Whispered Prayers, Harvest House Publishers

Music CD’s

• It’s Amazing • Let’s Go In • Come Let Us Worship • With Love • Forever- Relevance featuring Michelle McKinney Hammond • The Greatest Gift- Relevance featuring Michelle McKinney Hammond • For Love’s Sake- Relevance featuring Michelle McKinney Hammond


• Emmy • Gold Philo • Bronze Philo • U.S. Television Commercial Award • Windy Award • Over 20 CEBA (Creative Excellence in Black Advertising) Awards • 1st Runner-up Miss Muskegon Pageant

Featured in Publications

• Todays’ Christian Woman • The Plain Truth • Ebony Magazine • Essence Magazine • Jet Magazine • Black Enterprise Magazine • Black Excellence Magazine • Precious Times Magazine • Discipleship Today • Shine Magazine • Gospel Today • Spirit Led Woman • The Chicago Tribune • The New York Times • Associated Press

Television Appearances

• Aspiring Women-TLN Network, cohost for 10 years • 3D Woman- TCT Network, cohost

Guest Television Appearances

• Women of the Bible, Lifetime • Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher, NBC • Oh Drama!, BET • SoupTalk, ET • The Other Half, NBC • The 700 Club • 100 Huntley Street • The James Robison Show • Better TV • Joni Table Talk, Daystar Network • Celebration, Daystar Network • It’s A New Day


• Bloodline • Candle in the Wind • Love Regardless • Single and Married • In God We Trust • Getting Married

TV Series

• Poisoned Bait • The Devils Work • Boys and Girls • The Antonios

Outside links:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tega Elizabeth Baah (talkcontribs) 14:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@Tega Elizabeth Baah:The help desk is not the place to submit an article. Please take a look at WP:YFA. -Arch dude (talk) 15:02, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Search block logs

Can they be searched?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:50, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Bbb23, what do you wish to search, precisely? See Special:Logs. WBGconverse 16:02, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
The text.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
No. T14984 lying idle for over a decade. WBGconverse 16:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
There is a parent task at phab:T120764. Also, it appears that User:Cenarium fixed a related issue in 2016, phab:T20954, and it got deployed then. So the issue of log searching hasn't been stuck forever. There was some mention of having to create new indexes, which was a deterrent to going ahead. There was a 2015 Community Wishlist entry at meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2015/Special pages#Improve Special:Log. EdJohnston (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
The core issue of searching log texts have been stuck forever, as to the developers' end. 20954 is linked to the broader goals. WBGconverse 17:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Muting already-read text on a frequently-visited page

Is it possible to mute (hide, make smaller or lighter) text on a frequently-visited page so that when the same logged-in user returns to it the next time, any new text added since the last time stands out more clearly? I'm not talking about mainspace articles, but examples that would help me would be the Reference Desk pages and this Help Desk. I've been using the "skip to bottom" shortcut to start reading the newest material and then scrolling up until I recognize a section I've read previously, but there should be a more elegant way to do this.--Thomprod (talk) 19:10, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Thomprod, I usually browse pages like that using my watchlist, which has changes grouped by page (setting in Preferences > Recent changes > Advanced options > Group changes by page). That gives me a handy "Changes since last visit" link that I can click to take me to the diff, and also makes my watchlist less cluttered with the frequently changing pages. Alpha3031 (tc) 04:54, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, Alpha3031. I'll give that a try.Thomprod (talk) 14:25, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

April 21

Categories for navigation boxes

I seem to remember that there is a policy stating that the only categories that a navbox should have are categories for templates. Where can I find such a policy. Please {{ping}} me when you respond. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Would this be it Jax 0677? Wikipedia:Categorization#Template categorization: Templates should be categorized according to kind of template, but not by template content...: Bhunacat10 (talk), 19:57, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Question about arbitration enforcement logs

Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2019#Pseudoscience says:

  • [username] is indefinitely topic-banned from from Flood geology and related pages from 20 February 2019. 04:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
  • [username] is indefinitely blocked for violation of the above topic ban immediately after an unsuccessful appeal and sundry attendant disruption. 22:05, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

(Username redacted because this question isn't about the specific user or his ban/block. It is about what gets logged and what doesn't get logged.)

However, the block log of the user in question shows that the block was lifted on 28 March 2019. Should this be reflected in the AE log? It is easy enough to check a user's block log and discover that they had the block lifted, but how do I know that the topic ban has not been lifted as well?

Or is this just a clerical error, meaning that lifting a block or ban should be logged but somehow this wasn't done in this case? If so, where do I go to ask that the log be updated? --Guy Macon (talk) 13:43, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

My understanding is that arbitration enforcement blocks cannot last more than one year but concurrent blocks that aren't done as "arbitration enforcement blocks" can last as long as the blocking policy allows. Sometimes these concurrent blocks-which-are-not-arbitration-enforcement are logged in the same log, often with a provision that the first year of the block operates as AE block and the remaining as regular blocks. According to the block appeal tha topic ban was explicitly not lifted, only the block was. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:03, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
But should the log reflect that? --Guy Macon (talk) 16:21, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
For clarity, we are discussing User:Sotuman who was unblocked on 28 March but remains under a topic ban from flood geology and related pages. Why not contact the *unblocking* admin, User:GoldenRing, and see if they want to update the WP:DSLOG? Since User:JzG, the blocking admin, entered his action into DSLOG he must have intended it as an arbitration enforcement. Both the AE block and the unblock would normally be logged. EdJohnston (talk) 17:16, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Support proper logging at WP:DSLOG.

    "...such need to be appropriately logged." - Dlohcierekim Sotuman (talk) 18:55, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

But confusing to use, any tools to help me understand the site

I look Around Wikipedia, but find out confusing. I would love a sitemap or other tools like a comprehensive listing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 506 independent (talkcontribs) 16:27, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it can be confusing. There is a sitemap at Wikipedia:sitemap. There are many, many lists of topics, mostly by subject. Please ask again if you have a more specific question.--Shantavira|feed me 16:53, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

An editor has proposed an article I have created for deletion but the article doesn't seem to fulfil the criteria for nomination

In WP:DEL-REASON, Of the 14 listed reasons in WP:DEL-REASON, the article doesn't fulfill any of the 14.

WP:BEFORE (in WP:AFD) links to WP:DEL-REASON via the link anchor "valid grounds for deletion" ie, AFD describes deletion-reason (the list of 14 reasons) as being the "valid grounds"

Sederecarinae (talk) 17:08, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

This is about Human cause death in the twentieth and twenty-first centuries MB 17:32, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
WP:DEL-REASON says reasons for deletion include, but are not limited to, the following, so all that matters is whether or not the community decides to delete the article. Wikipedia does not have firm rules so reasons for deletion can be anything reasonable. Also, the article appears to be a fairly indiscriminate collection of statistics. --Danski454 (talk) 17:52, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

How to add a photograph

Italic text — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boredbeyondmeasure (talkcontribs) 17:59, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@Boredbeyondmeasure: See Help:Files – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 18:09, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
@Boredbeyondmeasure: If you are the photographer, then you own the copyright and you can upload the photo to Commons. If you are not the photographer, then come back here for a deeper analysis if the copyright. To upload to commons, go to c:Wikimedia Commons and click on the button near the top right and follow the tedious instructions. After the file is available on Commons, you can use it in an article here as described above. -Arch dude (talk) 03:17, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Edits not showing up on user talk page

Very odd. I added a thread at User talk:Lithopsian, and it doesn't show up. It's there in the code if I go to edit again, but my signature is still four tildes. It was never converted to name and date. The same is true of the preceding thread by another user - it doesn't display, and their signature is still four tildes as well. Anyone have any idea what's going on? — kwami (talk) 19:24, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: An HTML comment had been damaged, so that the software thought that the rest of the page was all part of the comment. I've fixed the comment and have done by best to fix the missing signatures. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:39, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! — kwami (talk) 19:45, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Pertinent addition to the "Dick Van Dyke Show" article

This is what I received: Information icon Hello, I'm Stellarnebula. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to The Dick Van Dyke Show have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the help desk. Thanks. Stellarnebula (talk) 20:18, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

This is my answer: My addition "did not appear to be constructive?" The addition I made is directly from the book "The Dick Van Dyke Show" to include the production company that made the show, and the unique way the show producers' names were incorporated into the name of said production company. My addition is as pertinent to the dialogue as the rest of the information in the article, hence the placing of it at the top. I realize that you Wikipedia editors do not like to let people contribute (keeping that privilege for your doctorate-level contributors), but when someone contributes interesting items to articles that can be verified, they should be allowed to do so.

Calvin Sneed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:4790:3D70:D965:FF27:86E7:970 (talk) 20:30, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Pinging Stellarnebula for comments.
As for 2600:1702:4790:3D70:D965:FF27:86E7:970: I'll wait for Stellarnebula before saying anything further, but in the meantime: Cite your sources. While it's certainly not done as often as it should be, it gives you far more credibility and is helpful to everyone. If you're not sure how, let me know. LittlePuppers (talk) 21:02, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
2600:1702:4790:3D70:D965:FF27:86E7:970, Hi! Thank you for bringing it up! It looks like I did revert your edits in error, and a citation needed tag would have been more appropriate. I was doing a quick recent changes patrol for vandalism, and, in the diff, I saw the first letters of words being capitalized, leading me to believe it was vandalism of the article. I will say, in the future, please cite your sources, as it does lend you some credibility. Sorry about that! Also, thank you LittlePuppers for the ping! Stellarnebula (talk) 21:58, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Update: I've restored the edits and struck through the warning on your talk page. Happy editing! Stellarnebula (talk) 22:03, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Is this the right question to a copyright venue

I had a past concern at this archive. Which concerns to an episode listing, with the same user. But on Joshi Kausei the "plot" section was copied from a link / url. By this . And is that under the same rule/ guideline umbrella? (If I sound slow, I'm re-reading the rules from the various MoS.) Tainted-wingsz (talk) 22:47, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Tainted-wingsz, your removal of it was the right course of action. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 00:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Ah, yes. But since this is a second time they added copied info. In the last two months. Do I refer to else where. Or wait around, if some info was added a third time? And request the {{copyvio-revdel}} or other similar help? Tainted-wingsz (talk) 01:04, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Tainted-wingsz As the editor is aware and has posted on your talk page, I've replied there to put them in the picture and hope you don't mind: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:59, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

April 22

Requesting Move for AfC Draft?

I'm creating a new article right now, and realized too late that the proper name of the article should be something else. Should I put in a request to move the article now, before it is accepted through AfC review, or is there another avenue that is more appropriate?

This is for the page Draft:Dropout_TV, and the title ought to just be Dropout.

Thanks in advance! ChunyangD (talk) 04:26, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

ChunyangD, The title Dropout is already taken by a disambiguation page, so I suggest not using that title because you wouldn't be able to anyway when it's accepted. Your account isn't completely new, so you should be allowed to use the Special:MovePage feature to move pages yourself, and as far as I know, there's no rule against moving pages marked for review, there should be no problems just doing it. I've gone ahead and moved the draft to for now though. Alpha3031 (tc) 04:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @ChunyangD: It can be moved now; Otherwise, articles can (and often are) also be renamed when they're accepted at AfC. However, Dropout is a disambiguation page (a page listing articles that could be referred to by the term "dropout"), so you can't move it there (as it isn't the overwhelmingly primary topic for that word). You could leave it be, or I could move it to something like "Dropout (media service provider)" or "Dropout (video network)" if you want. LittlePuppers (talk) 04:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you both for the quick responses! Ah yes, @Alpha3031 I didn't realize I had access to the MovePage feature... my editing has been sporadic over the past years. And thank you for the initial move to I still need to figure out what the preferred stylization of the service should be. I might end up taking @LittlePuppers advice and use Dropout (media service provider) as that seems closest to how the service brands itself. ChunyangD (talk) 04:44, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

How drafts works?

Hi, I'am a Spanish Wikipedia user, and I try to create an article here, in English Wikipedia, but I'm not sure how to make it. The article (Draft:Indira Murillo) is just a "draft", in Spanish Wikipedia we don't have such thing, so I'm confused. Need some help, please. Thanks!!

JohnnyStar (talk) 05:46, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi JohnnyStar. If you put {{subst:submit}} at the top of your article, it'll put your draft into the review queue, and an AfC reviewer will be around to either make it into a regular article (by moving it) or tell you what you need to do to meet our criteria for inclusion (mostly WP:Notability). This might take up to a few months because there are many drafts in the queue right now (~3000), but usually drafts are reviewed within a few days. Good luck! Alpha3031 (tc) 06:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks!!! JohnnyStar (talk) 06:10, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi JohnnyStar, I have reviewed and accepted it, thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Dodger67, many thanks!! I will try to continue contributing. JohnnyStar (talk) 22:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia via a VPN


In three days I will be going to Turkey for two weeks. I know that Wikipedia is banned there but I do have a VPN (Windscribe) to bypass the ban. However, last time I was there I used Windscribe to access Wikipedia and I got an IP ban that I had to appeal to overturn. I am wondering that if I access Wikipedia via a VPN will I get another IP ban? And if so, is there any other way to access the site?

Thank you, Central Data Bank (talk) 07:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

If you were given an IP block exemption it should still be in effect; if not you can request one following the instructions at that link. 331dot (talk) 08:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Central Data Bank, before someone granted you temporary IP block exemption. I have reinstated that for you. It will expire in 3 weeks. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 13:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Incorrectly indexed data

Query "all people in 1972 presidential election" (or various forms thereof) - Wiki will never reply with the list of the names of all persons who attempted to become president. No, altering query or subject to "nomination" or "primaries" doesn't present the list as a result either.

In the common vernacular the phrasing "all people who ran for president in YEAR" should give this list -- ONLY if you add the word "election" should one receive the final contenders, the persons who received their party's nomination. But whoever set it up now & whoever has entered data now has all queries regarding CAMPAIGN to be answered to ELECTION.

CAMPAIGN or RACE and all things "1972 presidential" sans word "ELECTION" should list all things related up to the general election, and then reference the election. Should start with a list of all candidates - not 1 name here, another 3 lines later, another 4 paragraphs after that. They are all in the same elections, same race, same campaign -- someone was a nutter to set it up as it is now!

To make a single question: How many people were in each of the races in the 70s after Watergate? - it took over 2 hours to find the answer on your so-called "encyclopedia."

On Britannica? 1 query for each election.

You try it. Find out when the 1st woman ran a campaign for president. Now the 1st black woman.

See if you can do it in under an hour (and no cheating using Google or a book!!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:59, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Firstly, according to List of elections in 1972 there were arond sixty elections that year - which one are you referring to? Secondly, if you have spotted an article that you think needs to be written - then go ahead and write it. That is how a volunteer project like Wikipedia works.--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:01, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Parsing a string as English language and producing an accurate answer is extremely difficult for a computer program. Wikipedia's search box does not attempt to do it. It just searches our articles for the words unless certain parameters are used. If there is a navigation template listing the subjects and you know the template name like Template:1972 United States presidential election then you can say hastemplate:"1972 United States presidential election". incategory: or linksto: can also sometimes help. See more at Help:Searching. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:30, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
There are several issues here. 1) Most fundamentally, the title of this tirade is not valid as to does not discuss "incorrect" indexing all. The OP did not get an incorrect result. 2) Britannica is a lot smaller than Wikipedia, so it's easier for them to search. 3) We do not consider this to be part of our mission. There no reason not to use Google or some other entity that specializes in search. Since Wikipedia is completely open to allow these searches (as Britannica is not) we don't need an organic search capability. 4) We have a sister project, Wikidata, for structured data. It has very powerful generalized search capability. -Arch dude (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
If, as PrimeHunter suggests, the election in question is the 1972 United States presidential election then that article contains lists of all people who officially nominated as candidates. The list is split into three - Democrats, Republicans, and Other. I am not clear whether that satisfies the original question about "all persons who attempted to become president" is not clear - I expect many people tried but did not it make it as far as nominating. If the reader is looking for those, the question would need to be clarified.
For the second part of the question, you will find related information at Women_in_government#Historic_firsts_for_women_in_government. It does not mention women nominating for election, but it does mention the first woman who became president - Isabel Perón, of Argentina (1974–1976).--Gronk Oz (talk) 04:36, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Edits Not Displayed

Dear Wikipedia Team,

Few days ago, I updated the Wikipedia page of an organisation, Association for Democratic Reforms, where I work. Upon visiting the page today, I could not find those edits. Please take this into your consideration and update the content as per my edits.

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by NandiniRaj1994 (talkcontribs) 11:28, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi NandiniRaj1994. Your edits (you can see this on the "view history tab" on the article-page) was reverted by a "bot", probably because you added WP:EXTERNAL LINKS to several social media in the article text, and this is generally a no-no on WP. Text like "To receive our press releases, join our google groups" is not fitting for a WP-article, nor are your phonenumbers etc. Take the time to read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:59, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
[Edit Conflict] @NandiniRaj1994:, please also read carefully the following sets of guidelines: WP:PAID, WP:RS and WP:CITE. Having done so, you may understand why your edits were reverted and why you should not be seeking to edit the article directly, but rather providing cites to Reliable sources in the articles Talk page and requesting other disinterested editors to evaluate them. Please note in particular that WP:COI and WP:PAID require that you place appropriate declarations on your User page (which you can create simply by clicking on that red link and typing something): non-compliance with this requirement could result in your being blocked or banned from EnWikipedia. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 12:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Moving Categories

Are extendedconfirmed users not allowed to move categories anymore? SportsFan007 (talk) 13:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

Only administrators and page movers have the move-categorypages right at Special:ListGroupRights. I don't know whether extendedconfirmed users ever did. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:55, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
I think Users used to have move-categorypages, at least according to my project (I'm sure I didn't adjust that). - FlightTime (open channel) 15:16, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Something has changed. On 2 November 2018 I moved Category:Censuses in Trasnistria, even though I've never been an administrator or page mover. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
It changed at phab:T219261 after Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#RfC: Restrict technical ability to move categories. Before that autoconfirmed users could move category pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

atheist church

Currently a search on these terms redirects to the Sunday Assembly, which doesn't even really like to use the term "atheist" and the NYC community actually split over this issue. PLUS there are several other atheist churches. I don't know how to fix this. It should be fixed as a google search on atheist church returns over 28 million hits and most are not the Sunday Assembly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xenomed (talkcontribs) 13:55, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Xenomed. I took a quick look, and see no obvious "solution". Per WP-philosophy, atheist church should lead to an article with that title, or, like in this case, somewhere the reader is probably looking for. If there are several "atheist churches" with articles one can create a "disambiguation page" like Apostle (disambiguation). What the org itself wants to be called matters less in WP-land than what independent sources calls it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:42, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Ideally someone should make an article about the broader topic, rather than just redirecting it to one congregation. I remember a few years ago reading an article (maybe in Newsweek, back when it was a real news magazine?) about atheist churches in general being a new movement.  It would be a good source to start an article. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 14:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
I've nominated this for a broader discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 22#Atheist church. MB 15:41, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Reliable source?

Hi, an editor added to the article on Albert Camus that Camus lived in Lourmarin, Vaucluse, France and cited as a source "Michelin Green Guide 2017: Provence (English Version), page 346". Is a tourist guide a reliable source? Can Michelin be trusted for biographical facts of Camus' life? - Epinoia (talk) 15:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Epinoia. I'd say a Michelin_Guide#Green_Guides could be an RS on this, it seems reasonably uncontroversial. If sources conflict, something like a good biography would be a better source, but this one doesn't seem awful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:31, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
- Gråbergs Gråa Sång - ok, thanks for the response - Epinoia (talk) 20:34, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Is this a COI, or appropriate use of a draft article?

Just noticed this, after an edit was reverted on Line of Duty. The editor in question seems to be the actor himself, or at least somebody representing the actor - they've set up a draft that is pretty much a CV: User:ChrisWilsonxx1x/Chris Wilson (actor).

Apart from the usual COI template, what would be the best way of dealing with this? Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Chaheel Riens it's a copyright violation, now tagged for deletion. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:48, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
And the username has been sent to WP:UAA. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:51, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Can I remove a biographic article, as requested by the person in question?

Hi, I have an acquaintance who does not want to have a biographic article of his on Wikipedia, especially a WP in a certain language. Is it possible to request its removal to an administrator? What are the requirements? Thank you Iñaki LL (talk) 19:47, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Iñaki LL. On English Wikipedia, an article can be deleted only if it meets the criteria for Deletion: principally, that there are not adequate published sources to base an article on. The wishes of the subject are almost irrelevant, because an article will only be possible if sufficient material about them has already been published elsewhere. For other language Wikipedias, I'm afraid that you would have to ask at the relevant Wikipedia: each is a separate project, with different rules, and possibly different criteria for deletion. --ColinFine (talk) 20:12, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Iñaki LL. On en-WP, the "rule" is WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. Basically, if your friend is not very well known (in the opinion of the WP-editors who wish to comment), an article can be deleted. To attempt this, start a Wikipedia:Articles for deletion discussion with something like "Hi, I am X, this article is about me and I would like it deleted, please."On other language WP:s, similar or different rules may apply, you'll have to ask there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks both for your replies! Iñaki LL (talk) 21:31, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Marital status

Hi, i am divorced and engaged to a new partner.

How can I change this on my wiki profile — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:40, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

In Wikipedia, the articles are not referred to as profiles but instead as articles. The information in those articles should be referenced to reliable sources for that information. If there is some reliable source saying that the subject of an article is divorced, then we can put that information (with the reference) into the article. Which article are you referring to? †dismas†|(talk) 21:39, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Suggest it on the talkpage of the article. You need a source, but in this particular case (WP:ABOUTSELF), something like your own blog, facebook or twitter can be an acceptable source. Of course, an article about it in the Washington Post is better. Wikipedia:Edit requests may be of help to speed things up. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:44, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

IP problems

Hello, I've made edits before making a wikipedia account. Now my IP address is open to the world, is there a way to connect my account to my old ip edits or anything else that could help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OmeedP (talkcontribs) 22:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello OmeedP. If you want to, you can write something like "Between date1 and date2 I edited with IP X" on your userpage, just click the redlinked OmeedP and type away. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:18, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Oversight if you want the IP address hidden for privacy reasons. But IP edits cannot be reassigned to your account in page histories or Special:Contributions/OmeedP. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:27, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Church of Saint-Sulpice, Jumet - disambug page

Currently, this article links to a disambug page about Saint-Sulpice, but I think there's enough churches to warrant a a page just about the churches themselves. There already is one on the French Wikipedia, [2] and it lists 48 articles of churches named Saint-Sulpice in France. Would this be a good reason to create a disambugation page? Clovermoss (talk) 22:27, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: Rather than copy a large chunk into a content fork, where the info is duplicated, I would just add a churches section to the Saint-Sulpice dab page, with the places that are churches, and separate alphabetically by country, like the current places section is separated. Then create a redirect called Saint-Sulpice Church, sending readers to your new church section on that dab page. Then the info won't have to be maintained in two places. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:25, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Timtempleton Okay, that's a great idea! Thank you. Clovermoss (talk) 00:36, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Timtempleton I've ran into some problems with this approach.

  1. It seems that there's only two Church articles written in English; so there's 46 churches that would be red links if I listed them. I could put all the work into translating and creating these articles (if they meet English Wikipedia guidelines), but 46 articles about churches is a lot of work to do without thinking about whether that's a good idea. I'm also currently working on my own drafts - I don't think I'm quite ready to handle something like that yet, especially since this draft of mine has taken a few months to get to its current state.
  2. The suggested redirect of Saint-Sulpice Church is already a redirect to Church of Saint-Sulpice, Paris.

Clovermoss (talk) 01:31, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

April 23

Article on Yogi Narayana

I had written an article on Yogi Narayana for the benefit of users of Wikipedia. It has been rejected on the grounds of lack of references. However, in the uploaded article, I had included the reference section at the bottom of the page in running matter. I would like the help desk to guide me as to how I can further edit the page and include photographs to authenticate the write-up of the article.

Regards, Dr. HariPrasad. S Chemistry Department, Central College Campus, Bangalore University, Bangalore - 560001, INDIA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hariprasad sure (talkcontribs) 00:08, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Hariprasad sure: Your best bet is to put references about the poet in the article. This may help Help:Referencing for beginners. Here's one I found but my ad blocker blocks it so I can't read it. [3] Please sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) so we know who you are. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:36, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

In the error message, the words "help page" are in blue, indicating that they are a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref which explains your problem. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:01, 23 April 2019 (UTC)